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  1. lawed143 says:09/01/2022 01:49 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by justbecause View Post
    You couldn’t be more wrong, I’m an extremely tolerant person, however I don’t suffer fools.
    Incidentally, in my very first post, I stated that in the new HC regulations, that there is no mention about cyclists wearing bright clothing in order to make them more visible.
    It is you that has changed the subject on its head my saying it’s ok for cyclists to wear dark clothing if they have lights on.
    No mention from you about cars or pedestrians being in hi viz to make them more visible.
    Have you ever driven down a motorway in the rain with lots of spray…? Silver cars disappear. Shall we ban silver cars.?
    If you don’t suffer fools and are calling me a fool, why are you engaging with me.?






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  3. Stuartli says:09/01/2022 01:55 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by lawed143 View Post
    No mention from you about cars or pedestrians being in hi viz to make them more visible.
    Have you ever driven down a motorway in the rain with lots of spray…? Silver cars disappear. Shall we ban silver cars.?
    Silver cars "disappear" in foggy or misty conditions as well. Unfortunately the majority of their drivers tend to fail to switch their cars' lights on.....

  4. MICK/GILLY says:09/01/2022 02:15 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by justbecause View Post
    You are very quickly becoming, not only as bigoted as PNP, but equally as stupid.
    And, for your information, I won’t take any advice, re motoring issues from a half wit like you.
    It’s the same person, PNP / lawed / donkey and others same person different accounts.
    I thought you were supposed to give way to pedestrians crossing the road if you were turning into another road anyway and for cyclists riding in the middle of the road or two abreast we have seen and suffered for years.
    As far as riding 3 abreast well “ Knowing that you had the right of way according to the new code is going to be little comfort if you're the one who ends up getting hurt." I have said this many times. The mentality of riding in dark clothes at night just because you can says it’s all to me . Watch this space for more cycling accident stories to come at least it will generate more clicks for the site, but let the hospitals covid cases die down a bit before you go filling them up with cyclists .

  5. lawed143 says:09/01/2022 03:09 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by justbecause View Post
    You couldn’t be more wrong, I’m an extremely tolerant person, however I don’t suffer fools.
    Incidentally, in my very first post, I stated that in the new HC regulations, that there is no mention about cyclists wearing bright clothing in order to make them more visible.
    It is you that has changed the subject on its head my saying it’s ok for cyclists to wear dark clothing if they have lights on.
    Hi Viz you say...???

    https://images.app.goo.gl/rwNyEyuXJaJvZ4Ct6

    This vehicle was covered in Hi-Viz. You cant make something visible to a distracted driver....regardless of how visible it is......

  6. The PNP says:09/01/2022 03:12 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by justbecause View Post
    Incidentally, in my very first post, I stated that in the new HC regulations, that there is no mention about cyclists wearing bright clothing in order to make them more visible.
    When riding on-road, light/reflective clothing (ideally a hi-viz outer garment) is to be recommended - and imo is essential during hours of darkness. Same for helmets when riding on-road, along with good strong daytime lights....The more a rider can do to make him/herself stand out in traffic, the safer they will feel.

    However, despite the above measures making perfect sense, I wouldn't go so far as to make them a legal requirement. Such measures when mandatory (in particular helmets) are well known to discourage cycling. A person may find their lights fail during a daytime ride, or have no option to use a bike in unexpected circumstances, where hi-viz or helmet are not to hand. Ending up pushing an otherwise perfectly roadworthy bike several miles home in broad daylight, just to avoid a fine!

  7. justbecause says:09/01/2022 03:37 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by The PNP View Post
    When riding on-road, light/reflective clothing (ideally a hi-viz outer garment) is to be recommended - and imo is essential during hours of darkness. Same for helmets when riding on-road, along with good strong daytime lights....The more a rider can do to make him/herself stand out in traffic, the safer they will feel.

    However, despite the above measures making perfect sense, I wouldn't go so far as to make them a legal requirement. Such measures when mandatory (in particular helmets) are well known to discourage cycling. A person may find their lights fail during a daytime ride, or have no option to use a bike in unexpected circumstances, where hi-viz or helmet are not to hand. Ending up pushing an otherwise perfectly roadworthy bike several miles home in broad daylight, just to avoid a fine!
    You really are stupid beyond words. In paragraph one you endorse the wearing of hi-viz clothing and helmets, and using daytime lights. Then in paragraph two you advocate that such safety features shouldn’t be made legal, because, “it would discourage cycling”. So basically, cycling will only become more popular if cyclists are encouraged to ride recklessly, with little or no regard for their own personal safety.
    Like I said, you really are stupid beyond words.

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  9. justbecause says:09/01/2022 03:38 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by lawed143 View Post
    Hi Viz you say...???

    https://images.app.goo.gl/rwNyEyuXJaJvZ4Ct6

    This vehicle was covered in Hi-Viz. You cant make something visible to a distracted driver....regardless of how visible it is......
    Could you please refer me back to the post where I mentioned hi-viz?

  10. salus.populi says:09/01/2022 03:42 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by justbecause View Post
    You couldn’t be more wrong, I’m an extremely tolerant person, however I don’t suffer fools.
    Incidentally, in my very first post, I stated that in the new HC regulations, that there is no mention about cyclists wearing bright clothing in order to make them more visible.
    It is you that has changed the subject on its head my saying it’s ok for cyclists to wear dark clothing if they have lights on.
    It's not in the new changes because the existing HC already says that they should.

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  12. lawed143 says:09/01/2022 03:51 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by The PNP View Post
    When riding on-road, light/reflective clothing (ideally a hi-viz outer garment) is to be recommended - and imo is essential during hours of darkness. Same for helmets when riding on-road, along with good strong daytime lights....The more a rider can do to make him/herself stand out in traffic, the safer they will feel.

    However, despite the above measures making perfect sense, I wouldn't go so far as to make them a legal requirement. Such measures when mandatory (in particular helmets) are well known to discourage cycling. A person may find their lights fail during a daytime ride, or have no option to use a bike in unexpected circumstances, where hi-viz or helmet are not to hand. Ending up pushing an otherwise perfectly roadworthy bike several miles home in broad daylight, just to avoid a fine!
    Exactly. You can't have a logical discussion with these people. They run out of anything useful and just turn to insults and conspiracy theories. Distracted drivers are blind drivers. If you cant see what's infront of you, you're a danger.
    I was on Roe Lane a few days ago - Red Top with reflective stripes, flashing rear 10 Lumens rear light, flashing 600 lumens front light.....one close pass from behind, one pull out from Wennington Road - in broad daylight - within 100 yards. F***ers.

    Then you get the likes of JustBeacuse arguing that we don't do enough to be seen and victim blaming, when its drivers that cause the danger. And the likes of Mick/Gilly making threats of injury even when we make ourselves visible because he's "suffered us" for years.

    I have driven for 38 years, throughout the UK, including Europe, Australia and USA. 1 minor rear-shunt accident, and two speeding fines. I'm not perfect, no one is but I don't have the impatience and selfishness that the likes of these two exhibit. One even claims to be an IAM trainer. Well if you go on the Sefton IAM website they claim all their associates are of the highest standard.....maybe they present that way, but privately behind an anonymous account they certainly are not. Im sure they'd be horrified to read his posts on here.

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  14. The PNP says:09/01/2022 03:53 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by justbecause View Post
    You really are stupid beyond words. In paragraph one you endorse the wearing of hi-viz clothing and helmets, and using daytime lights. Then in paragraph two you advocate that such safety features shouldn’t be made legal, because, “it would discourage cycling”. So basically, cycling will only become more popular if cyclists are encouraged to ride recklessly, with little or no regard for their own personal safety.
    Like I said, you really are stupid beyond words.
    In those places where helmets were made mandatory, cyclist numbers decreased - e.g. in Australia. Since the whole objective in these #Climate Emergency times is to encourage cycling takeup, a helmet law would be completely counterproductive. And at end of day, although they do offer protection in a fall, cycle helmets are only designed to work for impacts up to 12mph.... Not a lot of use if a car slams into you from behind at 60mph!

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  16. lawed143 says:09/01/2022 03:54 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by justbecause View Post
    Could you please refer me back to the post where I mentioned hi-viz?
    You really are forgetful...."Brighter Clothing"

    "No mention whatsoever of cyclists wearing brighter clothing to make them more visible.
    No doubt PNP will be on the lookout for a couple of friends in order to be able to take full advantage of obstructing motorists by riding three abreast."

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  18. Stuartli says:09/01/2022 04:03 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by The PNP View Post
    And at end of day, although they do offer protection in a fall, cycle helmets are only designed to work for impacts up to 12mph.... Not a lot of use if a car slams into you from behind at 60mph!
    Yet another example of your delusional views on motorists with a truly nonsensical claim of "...at 60 mph".

    But we've rarely, or perhaps never, had anything of any sense emanating from your keyboard.

  19. justbecause says:09/01/2022 04:08 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by lawed143 View Post
    Exactly. You can't have a logical discussion with these people. They run out of anything useful and just turn to insults and conspiracy theories. Distracted drivers are blind drivers. If you cant see what's infront of you, you're a danger.
    I was on Roe Lane a few days ago - Red Top with reflective stripes, flashing rear 10 Lumens rear light, flashing 600 lumens front light.....one close pass from behind, one pull out from Wennington Road - in broad daylight - within 100 yards. F***ers.

    Then you get the likes of JustBeacuse arguing that we don't do enough to be seen (t5 victim blaming, when its drivers that cause the danger. And the likes of Mick/Gilly making threats of injury even when we make ourselves visible because he's "suffered us" for years.

    I have driven for 38 years, throughout the UK, including Europe, Australia and USA. 1 minor rear-shunt accident, and two speeding fines. I'm not perfect, no one is but I don't have the impatience and selfishness that the likes of these two exhibit. One even claims to be an IAM trainer. Well if you go on the Sefton IAM website they claim all their associates are of the highest standard.....maybe they present that way, but privately behind an anonymous account they certainly are not. Im sure they'd be horrified to read his posts on here.
    Because youre a little hero that always does everything correctly doesn’t mean that everyone does. In general, more cyclists ride around in the dark, without lights and sensible clothing, than don’t.
    You mention two speeding offences, and a rear end shunt. It’s quite possible that you would benefit from an Advanced Driving Course.

  20. justbecause says:09/01/2022 04:10 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by The PNP View Post
    In those places where helmets were made mandatory, cyclist numbers decreased - e.g. in Australia. Since the whole objective in these #Climate Emergency times is to encourage cycling takeup, a helmet law would be completely counterproductive. And at end of day, although they do offer protection in a fall, cycle helmets are only designed to work for impacts up to 12mph.... Not a lot of use if a car slams into you from behind at 60mph!
    Please show us some evidence of the last time a car slammed in to a cyclist at 60mph?

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  22. lawed143 says:09/01/2022 04:18 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by justbecause View Post
    Because youre a little hero that always does everything correctly doesn’t mean that everyone does. In general, more cyclists ride around in the dark, without lights and sensible clothing, than don’t.
    You mention two speeding offences, and a rear end shunt. It’s quite possible that you would benefit from an Advanced Driving Course.
    Gosh your attitude is terrible. Ill have a word with Brian Dring and see what he thinks.
    There is nothing that you could teach me. I know what I did wrong 25 years ago in the rear end shunt, and 36 in a 30 coming out of a 50, and 46 in a 40 coming out of another 50 at 2am in the dead of night. So thanks but no thanks.


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